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In the first Episode, meet the co-hosts Spencer McKeown & Josh Taylor, discussing why they created the podcast.

Speaker 01 00:01

What does it take to create something that never existed before? What does it take to challenge the status quo? What does it take to change the world? This is the Swell Podcast. We're passionate about the seed of an idea and how it swells into a movement. Take a journey with us as we seek the answers to those three questions through the stories of thought leaders, world builders, game changers, disruptors, and other pleasantly rebellious humans who ventured out into the unknown on a personal journey to do something novel, innovative, creative, or disruptive. In this inaugural episode of the swell podcast get to know us the creators and hosts Josh Taylor and Spencer McEwen will talk about what you can expect from this podcast, why we created it, and ultimately will tease a few of the discussions that we had with our season one guests, be sure to like and subscribe to the podcast, sign up to our newsletter at the and get in on the conversation through all of the major socials at the swell pod. Our first season is made in partnership with Kiln. Kiln [phonetic 01:04] provides flex office space solutions for teams and individuals. They're all inclusive set of amenities helps startups, creatives and entrepreneurs alike. Get work done. Learn more about Kiln. Thanks for tuning in. We hope you enjoy. So Spencer McEwen. This is the swell podcast.

Speaker 02 01:27

It is swell podcast. Oh my goodness. Did we really get here? Well done.

Speaker 01 01:33

Yeah, it took us a while to get here. It's been a journey, though. This is interesting. Maybe just talk about what it took --- the fact that we're doing an intro episode right now talk about how this all played out, I guess as far as -- It's been a crazy journey. I don't know. You want to talk about the journey?

Speaker 02 01:56

Yeah. How long have you go? You know, what's funny is that we were going to do an intro episode. In fact, we did actually try to do a few, and we tried to pretend that we're doing our intro. If we did it right at the beginning of the journey, when we're actually doing it at the end of the journey, and it really was hard work. So I think it's a lesson to us and lesson to me about being authentic, and honest, and yes, this intro is happening at the end of our interviews. But yeah, the journey has been really interesting, and it started quite a few months ago, and we had that ceiling of an idea what of what it should be about. But did we over plan our interviews? I don't think so. Or who our guests would be, we just went with the flow, who do we know who we're inspired by? Who do we heard about, and we just started going for it, and so in some instances, it was very straightforward and moved really effortlessly. In other instances. It's been a challenge. What do you think the challenges were?

Speaker 01 03:12

Yeah, well, I think the most difficult thing for us to do has been this intro episode. Going back to your point, it was just interesting, because yeah we were trying to do this thing that pretended like we weren't, we hadn't already recorded all of our episodes, and we were just like -- I think it was your suggestion. It's like, let's just be honest. We've already recorded every single episode which actually is nice, because it allows us, I think, in this episode to talk about.

Some of the things that that we really took away, or that we enjoyed or different Funny Moments through the journey, and I guess I'll just say this is the reason why it was complicated as I think we were trying to over engineer like this really interesting journey. This this overarching story that that would introduce you to the concept of like this -- this thing that we're both really passionate about this, how an idea swells into a movement, and the idea is that we would then do an outro episode that culminated some of the thoughts and the patterns and some of our core takeaways and what we really enjoyed, and we didn't want those two things to overlap as much. But yeah, I think we just found a better way to do the intro but anyway, I'm excited to talk about it though, with you. I don't know -- let's just dive into what's really interesting. Just give me an understanding, I guess, of what is the podcast about just from your perspective, what is it about? Why are we doing it? And why are you passionate about it? I think that'll be cool for our audience to know.

Speaker 02 04:44

Yeah, that's a good question. I like you interviewing me, this is good.

Speaker 01 04:49

Well, we'll flip it around in a minute.

Speaker 02 04:54

We know there were three or four questions that were answering. So of course, that is what's interesting. And, you know, what does it take to create something from nothing? What does it take to challenge the status quo? What does it take to really make a change in the world? And fourthly, what does it take an idea and create that movement? So, of course, that is why it's interesting to me, but I think, more so than that is just what are we going to learn? That's maybe unexpected? I don't know what we're going to learn, and of course, we do, because we've already [laughter] this is real, isn't it? We've already done it. But you know, even as we go back and listen, again, as we kind of really think through things, and as we have sessions on clubhouse, and whatever else, they're going to be some additional lessons learned. But yeah, it's the journey of the unexpected, I think, for me, and then the second one is absolutely just meeting these individuals and learning about who they are, what makes them tick. What is their motivations? And we haven't actually -- what we didn't do, how I wouldn't mind asking you why we didn't do this, but we never asked any one of our guests. Those questions, which you may expect that we would have done. We just said, Hey, what do you think it takes to change the world? Why didn't we do that?

Speaker 01 06:29

That is a great question. Because I think, so at some point, through the recording of the episodes, I think that point came up, and who knows, maybe in the future, we will and that's I think what's so interesting about this is for us, it's truly an experiment, and I think we're looking to iterate and adapt and constantly evolve with our audience, or whatever audience that ends up being. But I think for me, I don't know, there's a lot of questions underneath those questions, and I think what we're really truly getting at is, those are some big questions, and yeah, you can probably provide an answer to those questions, specifically, but I think, at least what was interesting to me is being able to ask the right questions that pulled the story out, that pulled the journey out, that provided additional or maybe even deeper context to those questions. So maybe we should have asked even asked those questions at the very beginning, and then dove into that, and maybe we'll do that in the future.

Speaker 02 07:35

Sounds like an experiment.

Speaker 01 07:37

100% Yeah,

Speaker 02 07:39

We're not expert interviewers, with 30 years of your interviewing experience, and we just want to learn and grow and we hope you our listeners, if there's just one person listening, or 1000, or 10,000, just come along on the journey with us, and we'd love your feedback, wouldn't we? Like, how can we get better? How can we get in see those connections, but more connections? Because I think that that is another reason why we did it, just to see those things that we're going to learn? How does it connect, even looking back now, I look forward to maybe meeting up with some of these folks again, in future episodes to see how their journey has not only progressed, but also maybe dive into some other areas of that idea? You know, what happens as it grows into a movement inside an organization or in a community? What then? So, yeah, actually, I'm going to give you one of the reasons I wanted to do it. I wanted to do this with you. Of course, I wanted to just have you --- I look we've worked together for goodness sake how many years? Seven years, and I really enjoy hearing your thought process and your questions, and yeah, something that was really great from that perspective.

Speaker 01 09:03

Yeah. 100%. Okay, I'll just echo that as well. I think we've worked together for a really long time, and there's just something about --- I don't know, just when we work together when we do stuff together, we usually find this really awesome synchronicity, where we find ourselves on the same wavelength but we each bring different things to the table, and yeah, I love it. It's great stuff. So maybe, let's talk about ourselves for a little bit. Let's talk about you. Let's talk about what are you interested in, what are you passionate about?

Speaker 02 09:35

It is this one of those moments where we start, as I call it, a testimony meeting, where we can have testimonials about each other. We could do an episode just on that. We've done it before, haven't we?

Speaker 01 09:54

We have done it before. There have been work trips and stuff like that, that we've taken. That...

Speaker 02 10:01

Long road trips?

Speaker 01 10:02

Yeah, long road trips that are very deep into -- I think our long term goals and intentions, but beyond that it gets into this -- I don't even know the right word to use, but sappy kind of comes to mind, and we're just like really complimentary of each other. So we're going to try not to get to that. But because we can also criticize and constructive criticize with each other, and we push and pull at the right times, I guess. But yeah, I hope it's not one of those.

Speaker 02 10:34

So, yeah. What interests me, I mean, I think the one that comes to my mind right now, as you asked, the question is the things that make me really motivated is figuring out how to fulfill a certain mission or a certain vision, like when --- I don't know if he's really going to answer your question or not, but I love when there's a big vision, there's a mission, and especially when it's not being realized yet, and to actually, not only catch it, because you have to catch it, you've got to feel it, but allow other people to do that as well, and then figure out ways of allowing that to be something other people experience a much larger scale --- I mean, not necessarily the sheer like numbers of people, but just as the idea has a growing impact across different spectrums. So I think that -- I mentioned the word experience there. But vision in there, and I think that, definitely people I've always been really interested in how -- Well, the whole world is full of people. That's all we have. So, so how does it work with people's, behaviors, the way people communicate, and the way people receive and communicate those ideas? And, yeah, so the all the above?

Speaker 01 12:10

So you mentioned experience, you know, the people component is -- I think a lot of the culture stuff, some of the stuff that we found shared interests in social culture experience, story design, of course, storytelling That's kind of in our wheelhouse. Those are the things that we're really interested in and, luckily, a lot of those things are also involved in this idea of ideas, swelling into movements, whether they're in businesses, whether they're out in communities out in the world, I think, yeah, as it relates to the podcast. You know, it's interesting, because I think, even going back to, why didn't we ask those four questions? You know, there are some interesting decisions that we did make, if we hyped up as far as like, what people are going to experience when they think about our guests. You know, it's a pretty broad range of guests with diverse backgrounds, diverse skill sets, it isn't -- Just we have entrepreneurs and CEOs, we have DJs.

Speaker 02 13:17

Did you already say data artists?

Speaker 01 13:19

I didn't say data artist.

Speaker 02 13:20

I mean, plenty of CEOs, friends, in fact, people that we know, clinical psychologists do we have?

Speaker 01 13:35

Yep, clinical psychologist, we have brothers.

Speaker 02 13:41

Pulling some favors there.

Speaker 01 13:44

But when we think about, yeah, I guess what is a swell? What is an idea going into a movement? It's interesting for us -- I think about, well, from a DJ who, in the moment creates change, emotionally connected an impacted change to a CEO or a chief experience officer who creates a new methodology. That's of a longer term change, what are the similarities? What are the patterns? What are what are the shared qualities that you can find, and you can pull out of all of these various different guests from various different disciplines? And that's, I think, what we're really shooting for, but yeah,

Speaker 02 14:26

Well, what I find interesting is, even if you think of some of our other guests, Brendan Dawes, talks about who's a data artist, in a swell or a movement some things can be very intentional to lead people to go down a certain path to a certain action may be a certain result. But he talked about, as far as I remember, he didn't necessarily have a specific action or outcome in the work that he does, and I think there's a place for that there's a place for -- if you look at why some movements or some change, or some cultures just don't work, or some ideas don't work and fulfill their potential and others do, it may be is that making sure you have that right combination of things that are strategic and other things that are more about the feeling. I don't know if it's going to sound too conceptual. That's what I got from these different types of interviews where they were all leading to something great, something meaningful, and something purposeful, but some of were a bit more direct in their strategy or not. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 01 15:48

I totally get that, and I love that you call even that moment out. It was like, Brendan viewed his -- the way He looked at his work as it's not my job to provide answers, I think, where he got to is my job to provide more questions, and i think that that was part of his connection to the work and I love that you called that one out. I think, for me, there was this other interesting call out, that changed, I guess, changed the way that I looked at innovation from a human centered approach or user centered approach, right, I was in our conversation with Maria, who is a leader in Human Centered Design, and a VP of product at help scout right now. But we were talking about ultimately, truly getting to the point of what we -- ultimately using the right questions to, to understand what a customer or what I thought was what a customer wanted, and she very clearly pointed out.

Well, in our questioning our discovery sessions, where we're really trying to innovate and build something that is really going to help our customers, our users, we're not really asking them what they want. We're asking them about what problems they have, and then it's our job to go and solve them. Because what they may think they want something, but really, they might they what we really should be giving them is something different, and it was a you know, I yeah, I thought I loved that. Because I felt like I should know that. But it was just great hearing it from her perspective, because of all of her experience, and I don't know that that was at least one really important moment for me. But yeah, I don't know. Any other interesting things that you

Speaker 02 17:36

Yeah, we're not giving all of our secrets away.

Speaker 01 17:42

We're holding most of it back.

Speaker 02 17:44

Well, it was just good to just talk to some of our guests, let's say Gil, who had a very structured way in his certain careers he's had. But right now he's following his passion, following his gut feel, and sometimes that's required to not only just find the thing that's going to turn into something great. Or maybe it just re-energizes you.

So you're in a position so you can then throw yourself into something else. But I think there are some of those unexpected things that we found --- We could have been very predictable, maybe just interviewed a certain type of person, a certain type of success level. But we've did a bit of variety, and that was great to hear, and I think the another one, when we talked to Matt who is a childhood friend, Matt Lever, I think he emphasize some important points around a vision being much bigger than yourself. So I got the impression that his vision that he looked at disrupting pathology was nothing to do with money. Yeah, that vision and that mission was much bigger than him, and he knew that that would impact many people across the world for good, and I think that may be true for lots of the folks we interviewed maybe all of them. But once you get hold of a vision that's bigger than you. That's pretty exciting. I found that energizing.

Speaker 01 19:22

Yeah, I love that, and I'm not going to  -- there were two points. I think that out of bit with Matt, I think that for me there were two big overlying patterns that I'm excited to talk about in our outro episode, and I'm not going to mention one of them. But I know for me like -- I will talk about one of them because I think it's really interesting and you find this consistent thread across all of our episodes around -- I would say purpose, in a sense, to what you just mentioned with Matthew and for me, I had this personal journey through this where I think we both approached it. With complete curiosity, I think we were truly interested in, in learning from our guests and, and just seeing what would apply to our own lives, and for the sake of not getting into this big massive story.

One of our guests, EmCapito. It was after our episode with her who's a licensed clinical social worker, she sent us both a book, which was the crossroads between should and must, I've actually got it on my thing right there. But it was so interesting, because it arrived at my doorstep the same day that we had a conversation with your brother, Greg McEwen, the author of essentialism, who we had this really interesting essentialist intervention, but I won't go into it. But for me, there was a really, truly deeply enhanced view of me personally, my purpose, you know, which is really interesting. It was this, it was a very personal development that happened over the course of the all the episodes, it was this buildup of my own understanding of my own purpose and my own ambitions and my own motivations, and I think it was just interesting that it only could have happened through us doing this podcast together, and it just excites me to see. I think where this continues to go. But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 02 21:24

Yeah, I love that. That is something, we kept on saying, Hey, what do we learn about our-- Don’t say the word. We love that.

Speaker 01 21:37

We do say that a lot. That's an important point that we should make right now. So there are times where -- so the tone of the podcast, right, this is a good thing to talk about. Because it's unscripted. For the most part pretty uncut, like, 99.9% of the episode; all of the episodes are uncut, and as Spencer mentioned, we're not professional interviewers.

Speaker 02 22:03

Did you cut when I burped though?

Speaker 01 22:09

Well, I caught a lot out of you. I'm just kidding. Yeah, there's just a lot of I think for the sake of our own curiosity, we are truly flying off the cuff, and there's a lot of times where, we're trying to figure out our own way through the questions that we're asking, and there are times when a guest just blows us away, and we both say I love that. I love that. I love that. We say that a lot. So get ready for that, and we're constantly getting better. We're constantly trying to improve.

Speaker 02 22:44

We're trying anyway. But we hope that as you're listening, you'll notice when we try new things, and maybe we need to try many things in the future. But yes, and is your suggestion, that would be incredible. We also did --Well, what we'll say that is maybe we try to adopt an MVP approach, a minimal viable product, how do we just get something out rather than waiting for it to be perfect, which will be never, and so there is that? And we probably could have had a good discussion about. Did we actually succeed following the principles of MVP through this process? We got it right, in some instances, and we definitely could have done better, but are they short interviews or they long interviews?

Speaker 01 23:38

Well, this has been a topic of debate, which we're very interested in understanding, I think, but yeah, for the most part, the episodes last -- as long as I feel they needed to last. But they are longer episodes, for sure. They're an exploration on our part. They're more of an exploration rather than a scripted set of questions. Whereas, if that resonates, we wanted to see what you guys think of that exploration. Because we can definitely go shorter, and we do have intentions, which would be cool to talk about Kiln potentially, and some of the stuff that our partner is doing, and how we're doing? Some of our member highlights, but we do intend to do some shorter episodes. But I think our perspective is, you know, we wanted to look at some of the episodes, let them breathe, let us explore around a little bit, really find the right questions, and hopefully you guys go on that journey with us, I guess.

Speaker 02 24:42

It's funny cuz you get different reactions, how long? How long like one and a half hours. I mean, most of them have just over an hour, but obviously, some people used to 20 minutes, 30 minutes, and I liked how you just described that and, you could assume as a startup or a CEO might only have 20 minutes, because they're short of time. But I think it just depends. Well let's find out what sticks. What's interesting. We didn't really want to assume and we'll just find out what we find out if people really interested in. Because if people are interested in the latter half of the sessions, maybe there's a reason why it's long. Because we got into a conversation that led to two things toward the end, but yeah, so let us know what you think.

Speaker 01 25:32

Exactly. Yeah, that's an interesting point that I just want to touch on too, because I think exactly the way that you said that --- It's interesting to think about the last question that we ask, and there have been some good, last answers from our guests, and the way I think we like to look at it is, is we couldn't have gotten to that last question, if it wasn't for every other question before that, and I think that's a big part of the explorative mindset and the uncut mindset as well. It's like, we want you to go through maybe --- some of the questions that are great -- Most of the questions are great, but some might be, you know, a struggle for us to figure out what we're really trying to ask or, but it wouldn't have been possible to get to the end without every single question before that, and that's a fun thing to think about.

Speaker 02 26:19

Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 01 26:21

So Spencer, I know that you had a---- As we were kicking around the name the swell, it was -- Yeah, you just had your own personal journey towards, I think finding your own value in the word, your own meaning in the word, and I was wondering if you could maybe just share that, your personal connection too?

Speaker 02 26:42

We'll do. I mean, I think initially, the word swell, we were talking about it from a perspective, a swell in the ocean, of movement, and momentum, which is still true. But what I had completely forgotten about is, there's a certain chapter in a book that -- I believe in the Bible, I also read the Book of Mormon and believe that, and in that book, I was sat in a very quiet place, pondering and thinking about a few different things in my life, including what do we call this thing, and there was a chapter, Alma 32, which is, ever since I was a kid, I knew what it was about; it was about growth and change, and I read that in the back of my mind, I need to read that. I didn't know why, and then I read it, and it was like, I don't know how many times, let's say 10, 10, 12, 15 times in that chapter, it uses the word swell, the swelling motion, swelleth, and it just kept on using this word. In context, it was about a seed. If you want to know an idea, seed, -- a certain thing is of any good, then plant it in your heart, in your mind, cultivate it, do some experimentation, do some testing, and see if it actually grows and grows into something that's bigger and eventually to some level of fruit or results, and I don't know, in that moment, I just thought -- these moments that I really appreciate where you just go, Yeah, all right, that's my answer. This is another reason kind of to reinforce solid name has a really important reason behind it, not just conceptually. But think back in my life, or probably anyone's life, we've all gone through changes, we've all gone through times when we've grown people around us have grown and it's usually because of that. Cultivating something of worth, whether it's an idea or a belief or something else, talent even.

Speaker 01 28:59

Yeah, I love that, and if I can, I'm just going to say what I think is so amazing about that. That story is -- at least what -- just to tease a little bit into the episodes, is it definitely -- There are countless examples in the following episodes for our first season where -- Ultimately, it's that moment of whatever you call it, inspiration, whatever that is. That moment when the you find this very personal connection to an idea or that lightning strike, where it's like, you have faith in that thing. You believe in it with everything you have that it's the right choice, and I'm going to move forward and pursue that, and oftentimes, at least what we've seen in the episodes is that –

There are oftentimes two competing things or two different things coming together at just the right time in your life, and in that moment, it's those two different things, that when they come together, it just gives you the answer that this is what I'm doing, whether that's the reason that you got the answer or it's this collision of moments, and it's very fascinating or collision of different things that make you that ultimately find a hole and become something new. Just to tease some of the episodes. But you'll find that theme a lot in our discussions, but I don't know if that was okay for me to make that connection. But I think that even as it relates to the name of the podcast, it was like that became an important seed, not in -- I mean, this seriously -- It was in that moment that it became that true seed for you that you were willing to cultivate, and you were willing to see it through and put all that passion, that energy, and just everything you have into it. Because there was some deep faith and belief that that was -- like, even something as silly as a name that was the right thing to do?

Speaker 02 30:51

Yeah, I think is we challenge the status quo sometimes, that can then lead to things like that, or sometimes these moments come before we even challenge the status quo, where it actually gives us that motivation and belief that we should go and do it -- go and actually challenge it. But I think that's a great point.

Speaker 01 31:15

So we've talked about our shared passions around culture, experience, design, and story, but when you add all those things up, ultimately, they all mean, something collectively to us, something around our shared passion on a larger scale, and Spencer, I don't know, what would you say that is?

Speaker 02 31:35

A good question. I think for me, whether it's in your own life, or within an organization, it is about looking at how culture sometimes an often unintentionally evolves, unless you do something about it, unless you actually intentionally design it, and especially true right now, I go through, big changes and through the world like COVID. But it's always been true. Things unintentionally shift and change and evolve, and you have to be really - and I think, actually, that applies to not just organizations and culture, it's also in your own life, and your own family. I mean, any anything you're doing, any organization, you're part of.

Speaker 01 32:20

Yeah, I love that, and it's, it's kind of a --- Yeah, I guess, just --- The question around that, I guess, if you think about our passions, thinking about culture, experience, design, and story are some of these things that at least we look at in terms of how we can intentionally design culture, and I think what's interesting to think about, if we were to bring it back, just, I guess, why this swell pod? And we think that --- Ultimately, when we think about culture change and transformation, whether it's out in the world or in organizations that -- it's not a bulldozer plowing through your organization, culture change, and transformation, ideally is a seed planted deeply within us as individuals, that's ultimately rooted in our human sensibilities, and it swells into passionate, purposeful action, and the idea is it starts with that individual, and that core seed of a vision, purpose, motivation, all that good stuff, and then it eventually swells outward, when that stuff is there into what is ultimately that movement, that momentum, from an individual across to multiple people, communities, teams, organizations, whatever that is, and that's what we're really I think, looking to continue to explore in the podcast, and --- anything that you want to add to that, Spencer.

Speaker 01 32:26

Now, that's something we've talked about before, and it's super important that you can look at it from an individual perspective and actually mean something to us as individuals. Part of our own journey, our own story, that is different, actually, for each one of us. But the importance of that self-reflection of looking at something that's very small at first, but choosing to go on that journey of change, and always respecting that is the same for everyone else, and if you want to create something of purpose for you, and for others, you've got to treat it as such.

Yeah, and it's interesting, because if you even bring it back around to how the episodes are built, how they're structured, it's like this idea that --- For us, we're fueled by curiosity on this journey, and so when we think about the episodes with our guests, they can be anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half and when we start out like, we have a set list of some questions that we want to ask. But ultimately, I think once the interview starts, we're exploring, we're curious, and we're going to go anywhere, because the idea is that -- it is that journey, but ultimately for you, as a listener, whether you're, let's say, 45 minutes into the first episode, or a minute into our last episode, the idea is, is that hopefully, there is going to be that moment for you as a listener, where whatever comes out of that, through that journey of curiosity and exploration that it's going to connect with you, and whether it's just what they said, but also in combination with something personal in your own life, your own ideas, your own ambitions, your own things that you're doing out in the world, and hopefully at that point, it's that moment when the combination of those two things begins to form that seed within yourself, and we hope that you guys find something in these episodes that relates to that. But yeah, that's kind of the intention, I guess, is what we're trying to go for.

Speaker 02 36:03

We hope so. You know, it's an experiment. But I think it's certainly true for us, as we've been going on this journey, and interviewing and talking to people and having conversations that is I think, very true for us. But yeah, tell us if it's the same for you. So Josh, you always manage to use this story kind of analogy about a plan. Can you talk us through that? How does a plan relate to this podcast? Please explain.

Speaker 01 36:40

So you know, you can go like, let's say you're gardening, and you can go, ultimately pick up a plant off from a store or something like that, whether it's a tree or a flower, and you can go and plant that in your garden. So as it relates to -- the style of our podcast is, let's say we were to do 20 minute episodes, and we were very specific with our questions, and we were looking for something very specific, out of each episode, that would be like the form of, I'm going to pick up a plant, and I'm putting that in my garden, and I think -- What we're really trying to go for is we're trying to build the opportunity for the seed to form within yourself as an audience and a listener, and it ultimately is the thing that becomes cultivated and grows within you, as you listen to remaining guests and various different ideas and the ideas through that you begin to cultivate your own ideas as it relates to how other people look at the world and look at -- changing the world or challenging the status quo or creating something that is basically never existed before.

Speaker 02 37:44

That's deep.

Speaker 01 37:45


Speaker 02 37:48

And what type of plan sorry, are we?

Speaker 01 37:51

So we're the seed. [crosstalk]. I don't know. Hopefully, a big tree, that roots really deeply. Interestingly, we've had discussions about rooted trees with in other work, but yeah...

Speaker 02 38:07

To be honest, I like those trees where you can drive through them.

Speaker 01 38:11

Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 02 38:13

But anyhow, not sure that [crosstalk] [laughter] it's just cut a big hole on our souls. So yeah, what else have we got?

Speaker 01 38:26

Well, yeah, I think we can talk about --- Let's just talk about -- Yeah, so over the course of the season, we hope you guys tune in, check out the episodes. You know, as far as between episodes, we definitely as Spencer mentioned, we were experimenting, we want to hear from you. There are certain things that can help us if you are enjoying it. Spencer, you want to talk about some of the things that people can do to just help us out? As we're building this thing?

Speaker 02 38:55

Yeah, I mean, several things. So definitely follow us on all of our socials, share it please subscribe, provide your feedback. Stuff you like stuff you don't especially the quote like insights that from our guests, things that meant something to you, that'd be great. Just to share them and get a conversation going. That's all. We'd really appreciate that. Of course you can submit a review. But again, if you do be great to hear, what you really did or didn't, be specific. We'd love that. We want to continue to learn. We're going to try out clubhouse, new platform, which you may have heard of, whereas you can join audio conversations really easily and that's going to be probably on a Friday afternoon, check our website out the and it'll tell you the times for that. But yeah, just join in, be part of the conference. Did I miss anything?

Speaker 01 40:02

No, that's great. I think it brings up an important point to make is that; to find us on all of our socials, and we're on pretty much every, like all the podcast platforms as well. It's at the swell pod. So not the Swell podcast. Well, you'll find is probably that way. But the easiest way to find us is @theswellpod, and yeah, we're on all the socials, we're on all the platforms. If you're going to leave a review, which would definitely help us out, give us a rating and leave us a review on Apple podcasts.

Speaker 02 40:38

Are we on Tick Tock?

Speaker 01 40:41

Yes, I guess we're on Tick Tock. I don't know what we're doing on there.

Speaker 02 40:46

What is Tick Tock? Yeah, interesting. Join us on there, seeing what was being posted and be a part of the journey.

Speaker 01 41:00

Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 02 41:03

Wicked, I love it. So I'm going to just mention one more thing. You know, if you think about, even just helping us get to where we got to with this, because we're not just talking about business ideas, we were talking about really anything that that swells and grows, and become something. But one thing that helped us even with this is just being able to talk to someone else. So our partner at Kiln, although we were already going to go down this path, they wanted to know a little bit more, and we were able to get talk to them and present to them and really collaborate a little bit on what this could be, and I think that really helped and they are just so you know, a co working space that have some incredible offices and some incredible design, and environment to really ignite innovation within their spaces. I don't know if there's anything else we want to say we don't have to say anything about them. But a really important part of, I think, of just getting to where we've all got to with this first iteration of a new podcast.

Speaker 01 42:19

Yeah, I mean, for a co working space, I know Kiln has always struck you and I --- as this really awesome place to be in, to work and to be surrounded by all these other people who are off doing some really incredible stuff. So, it was interesting. As far as like the early ideas of what this podcast even should be, it was like -- I remember even tossing around words like as it related to Kiln. With Kiln being a partner it was the fiery formation of growth within the Kiln, like that was always exciting. So it just felt like this really natural partnership, and if you haven't been inside killing before, I would definitely encourage it. Go check it out. It's a cool space to be in, cool space to work in. But yeah, if you want to check out more, you can go to, and you can book a book a tour, they've got some incredible people over there. They'll show you everything, from their massage chairs to their large theater space, their phone booths, their standing desks, cafeterias, kitchen areas or whatever. But it's a great spot.

Speaker 02 43:27

Yeah, that's a good point, and I would have to plug one of the co-founders, Aaron Lewis, who's the founder and co-founder. Incredible guy, but the other co-founder, designer, British.

Speaker 01 43:45

There you go.

Speaker 02 43:45

See European designer. Beautiful design, and I'm sure Kiln offices will be at some point through many different places in the world. But yeah, good stuff. Well, is that it? I don't know what do you think about this session?

Speaker 01 44:02

Yeah, it was great. I love talking with you again.

Speaker 02 44:07

At least we did not have to pretend that we were about to do something we haven't done. We have done these sessions, and we're going to release them several, three or four, the beginning and then one a week from then on out, and we may change it up in the future. We'll have some member highlights, some little short interviews we did with some of the members that Kiln, maybe every other week will release those as well. But yeah, I think that's it. So good luck, Josh. Good luck.

Speaker 01 44:39

Yeah. Good luck to you, Spencer. It's been amazing. It's been fun, and hopefully, the audience thinks so too. But yeah, great stuff.

Speaker 02 44:48

Thank you for listening.

Speaker 01 44:50

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